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Posted by BWSS on April 21, 2009 at 4:19 PM

I have recivesd an email from a member who thinks that we should try and be more original to the true spirit of the west. Who would like the BWSS to revert to using side by side shotguns. The only problem with a side by side is when we come to shotgun stages. but during a stage there is on average six shotgun targets. So in theroy a pump and s/s are the same speed. please comment on what you think all thoughts are welcome.

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5 Comments

Reply VIC
12:08 PM on April 30, 2009 
As you start with both empty on a normal stage, both side by sides and pumps are considered equal in speed. However, as we are not able to get coach guns as such in this country and target cartridges, some problems do occure with extraction on s/s. You need to polish them and select the cartridges carefully.

This not such a problem with pumps, although they do have problems of their own, which I will not go into now. They are both legal for BWSS shoots and I think that now they are both readily available, it should be up to the shooter to decide. If the stage organisers wish to make a certain stage or even a whole comp. side by side only, that is up to them. They can impose any reasonable limitations on stages.

You can be just as quick with a s/s if you prepare and practice.

I would be interested to hear from any other members with their views
Reply Angel Eyes
7:21 AM on May 5, 2009 
As Vic said, there is very little difference between them apart from the fact that the pumps have a mechanical extraction system, which seems advantageous to S/S users who are limited to non ejector models.
Having said that, I have seen shells hung up in the ejector port and having to be manually cleared.
My question would be, why non ejectors, when they were patented in America, in the 1880's?
Other than that, I will stick to the status quo, and persevere with my S/S.
As long as all loading is done, 'on the clock', I don't see a problem
Reply English Luke
3:14 PM on June 11, 2009 
We don't allow ejectors because SASS don't allow ejectors ours not to reason why! That said with the right cartridges chucking the empties is not a problem, personally I have now gone to a SxS hammer gun having used both a pump and a underlever for many years. I think the pump wins on speed of reloading, successfully inserting 2 rounds in a SxS at the same time requires more practice than loading a pump. I do believe SxS are more authentic and I have gone with a hammer gun as it fits better with my yellowboy and 1860's but each to their own.
Reply Duncan McGibbon
1:30 PM on September 8, 2009 
I believe that pumps ARE faster and decidedly so when the s/s is a hammer gun. It has been discussed "privately" among some shooters that by mutual agreement on a 2 day shoot day 1 can be nitro-conversion with pump and day 2 black powder pistols and hammer s/s. However, it would be helpful if 2 day shoot results were shown as two separate days rather than as an average of the 2 days. Thanks to Macauly for the results posting--I'll ask him what he thinks with regard to posting results and if, which I have good reason to doubt--he's getting proper results sent to him, ie. results showing clearly who's shooting in what category!
Reply Angel Eyes
6:38 AM on September 10, 2009 
Duncan McGibbon says...
I believe that pumps ARE faster and decidedly so when the s/s is a hammer gun. It has been discussed "privately" among some shooters that by mutual agreement on a 2 day shoot day 1 can be nitro-conversion with pump and day 2 black powder pistols and hammer s/s. However, it would be helpful if 2 day shoot results were shown as two separate days rather than as an average of the 2 days. Thanks to Macauly for the results posting--I'll ask him what he thinks with regard to posting results and if, which I have good reason to doubt--he's getting proper results sent to him, ie. results showing clearly who's shooting in what category!

I don't see how you can designate a particular day to one method of shooting.
What about those members who are time restricted to one day?
Similarly, what about those who are on a small budget and cannot afford all the different guns?
The only criteria that can be followed is by class of comp that you wish to compete in and the type of powder you wish to burn should not come into it unless the class calls for it.
Thats all folks!!